Guts vs Brain: who’s the boss

Brains, reptile survival instincts, ape socialization to human technologists.
How our gut bacteria affect cancer risk and response to treatment
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  • Bidisha Mukherjee's profile photo
    Does all of those unique bacteria have names…..??
    And are they formed uniquely during crossing over?????

 

  • Joe Carter's profile photo
    Many have names, many have not yet been named specifically and many that have are as yet undefined in terms of how they relate in the context of other bacteria the local environment and us. Additionally, bacteria share information in ways that defies looking at them with hard and fast rules. We can only study them in the context of all the other things they’re living with at the time in addition to environmental factors such as what we eat, how healthy or ill we are and so on. This is further complicated by the viral content in the microbiome which can change a number of things. We have a long way to go to understand, much less intentionally cultivate sustainably functioning biological systems.
  • Nina Tryggvason's profile photo
    starting to think we’re just a host
  • Joe Carter's profile photo
    I think a voice in the choir is more accurate from a wide angle perspective, but when zooming in closer there is a stage where the accurate perspective would be “host”.
  • Bidisha Mukherjee's profile photo
    i really like that you reply to my all the questions…..many tell these are stupid!!!!! Thnx

 

 

  • Joe Carter's profile photo
    Thank you. I must admit it’s not totally without a component of self interest. I try to behave the way I think will have the best shot at cultivating the kind of world I would like to live in, plus I think understanding what is communicated through the relationships that define biology are the best way to understand ourselves and with a better understanding we can be more intentional about crafting a nourishing relationship climate.
  • Nina Tryggvason's profile photo
     
    I mean, we think we’re in charge, but these microbes are fighting an either or war with food as the battleground… a lot of of DNA too was once theirs. it seems to work on a physical descriptor as well as metaphoric and even symbolic levels. .. symbiosis or parasites – depends on which side of theirs wins.
  • Nina Tryggvason's profile photo
     
    honestly asked questions, such as yours, Bidisha Mukherjee's profile photo, deserve responses – most people think that conversations are something that you win with trivia or insults. It is better to be curious and learn, than incurious casting darkness
  • Joe Carter's profile photo
    I would go as far to say that defining things at the organism level, rather than as some relational field centered on coherency that is not confined to nucleal DNA is a better way to understand everything biological, including sentience and I would guess consciousness. To see an example of the connection we can look at the fact that 80% or more of the dopamine that defines our mood and motor coordination for instance is generated by the microbiome, (in precursor form, but converts to dopamine) which is probably why depression and gastric bypass are so correlated, and why Parkinson’s is now suspected to begin in the gut and so on. Human physiology, indeed all oxygen/carbohydrate dependent biology, is related to oxygen producing organisms the same way the heart is related to the kidney -in many ways, what they produce we need and what we produce they need. In effect we are part of the same metabolic super-organism – part of the same body. The distinctions we overlay on the biological relational landscape, like species and organism, are useful to a degree, but they have limits and can become a source of blindness rather than illumination if they are held to with too much rigidity. At least this is from my perspective. I could be missing something.
  • Nina Tryggvason's profile photo
    when it’s 2 people best guessing and coming to an understanding, it is just about snapping perspectives into alignment, your commentary is very informative and probably on the mark and on point, because I am asking and suggesting, not telling. so not selling any particular point, but looking at brain, body/intestines and mental health as a context.
  • Bidisha Mukherjee's profile photo
    your reply seriously encourage d me…..thanku
  • Nina Tryggvason's profile photo
     you are most welcome.

My first microscope

The World of Microbes: Where Life Began in the dirt or ice or volcanic medium

Understanding Micro Evolution in a Macro World

The Worlds Problems in Micro: The Mall

just a thought about communication barriers

 

being able to determine by just of professional jargon and terminology who is an expert professional and who is a citizen scientist or learner, combined with variation of people who vary from literal to literary

knowledge givers and knowledge seekers

genuine humane contact

on the internet, the most dehumanizing communication form ever invented…

Brain to Guts and then other end

 

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