By Daniel Burke, CNN Religion Editor
(CNN)Was it a coming-out party for atheists or a funeral dirge for the religious right?
In several states, even evangelicals who said that it’s important for a candidate to share their religious values voted for Trump. That’s a direct repudiation of the message Christian leaders have been shouting from the rooftops: The thrice-married mogul more at home in casinos than churches is not one of us!
When political scientists talk about a “God gap” in American politics, they often mean the religious gulf between Christian conservatives and liberal Democrats.
In 2016, though, a sizable “God gap” has appeared within the Democratic Party itself.
As noted above, Clinton has cleaned up among the devoutly religious, not only on Super Tuesday but also in South Carolina in February.
Bernie Sanders, meanwhile, appears to be drawing deep support from people who rarely step foot inside a house of prayer. The Vermont senator, who is Jewish, has described himself as “not particularly religious.”
Ben Carson announced that he doesn’t see a path forward to the presidency and will not participate in the next GOP debate.
Separation of Church and State, lift and separate, eh?
Well – what interests me in the referenced article are the bits that I quoted above – and this idea that the religion are voting more with their wallets than their bibles, and perhaps that the idea of … you know.. all Trump has to do is any crocodile repent tears, no one is expected to be able to live up to their beliefs and why family values scandals of live boys, dead girls, drugs and embezzlements are part of the American Stand by Your Man Political show….
is there some part of America that really wants to see the standard that Bill would create for the First Husband?
The Democratic Party’s decision is rapidly being made, so we know what we are going to end up with is a swirl of their ideas, neither one disagrees with the other on outcomes, or even process, just which one is gonna do it – because the issue for the Democratic party is the Senate and Congress, which continues to be Republicans, who have been utter obstructive in doing anything for anyone but Big and Bigger Business that they failed to even pretend to care about the Middle Class or aware that there is anything lower.
Today’s Political/Media Savvy word is “obstructionist” – it is a magic workshop language lingo, and it is the correct response when you are labelled “politically correct”.
Office Tip: The use of said word will also abruptly end any painful group exercise or role playing excersize by a facilitator.
Now, the Republican Party is at the implosion point – wherein Canada the traditional conservative party – the Progress Conservatives – was reduced to fewer than 5 seats following PM Mulrooney and became no longer a federal party, and some of them fled into the Liberal Party, the fiscal conservatives, while the social conservatives merged with the Righter of Center Reform Party, from where PM Harper leap frogged into the head of the new party.
The Republican Party, under President Lincoln, ended slavery and the party has rested on that ever since, as if it was good enough. They have and continue to oppose all gains made by every group and they are the status quo to overcome.
conservatives would rather implode or explode than compromise, they no longer have a base, they have a flat line and no heartbeat, eh
in 1970, if you mentioned The Beatles to Nixon, he would have thought you were talking about insects – Nixon was the epitome of uncool, square, boring establishment, but to him – Elvis was the coolest guy in the world, so it was with some political canny that Nixon agreed to a meeting, which became the lead item when the USA Government posted the material documents online so they could stop spending taxpayer money processing requests and copying costs. The FBI Presley files are also disclosed proactively.
Elvis might have been a self parody in the 1970s and the teens of the era laughed at his jumpsuits while wearing their bell bottom jeans that imitated them. Also, they were not spandex, they were canvass and weighted 25- 35 pounds depending on sparkley accents and capes.
When Republicans look back to the Glory Days, it is 2 things:
- the slavery era before Elvis made black people cooler to white teenagers than white adults were to their own children. Elvis was social change that followed on legal changes and he was one of the first people to embrace others as people, famously so.
- Ronald Reagan pioneered nothing valuable economically, what he gave the public was the Affable President who wasn’t a Washington/New York Sharp Establishment – it was Reagan who convinced the South that the Democrats cared more for forest and owls than Resource Extraction workers and inflaming racism to distract from that Republicans care more for CEOs than any other kind of person.
SOOOOO.. the really interesting thing is this idea of experience mattering, but what kind of experience, shared values, but the ratio of must be the same to in the same ballpark – it is funny how christian groups most dislike other christians, then the Jews and then the Muslim/Islam break outs.
Jewish in the form of the Talamud being the original Abrahamic religion, spawning Catholic, which was the version of Christianity that took all the various texts and created a manual for the heiracrhy, which, with the advent of the mass printing became available in various drafts, yet referred to as if a single book The bible (note pronounced “buy bull”), which then splintered to various Christian Identifying Groups, with a semi-significant 3.0 Koran/Quran text becoming Muslim/Islam; followed by a .. Jewish 1.0, Catholic 2.0 Christian 2.5 Islam 3.0 Mormon 2.8…..
What the Republican Party has is competition with the Libertarian Party who are the Capitolism First, everyone for themselves, let the market decide until we want a bail out but not be called on the nanny state of privatized profits and socialized costs.
Which is more fearful to them than the Democrats, because the Libertarians are because Republican wasn’t selfish enough, but at least, they are not out to create failure for others, after all, one needs to have a supply and demand chain of distribution.
Personhood and Corporate Citizenship, given that in American, corporations have been deemed people.
You know, while these three religions make up the most number of people who are religious, for most religions you have to be born to them, because they are karma/dharma based and that is about social station and position in society and is why so many nations are existing in a feudalistic reality of their opportunity and position in life determined by their birth.
For most of the world’s history, people who were not religious were killed, so it wasn’t safe to say you didn’t, and for most places in the world, it is not safe to say you are not heterosexual because that will get you killed.
what the world needs now is less religion and more cooperation.
Any Worldview or Framework that allows one to kill just because of a demographic is not anything that has any business calling itself moral or ethical.
Secular Education is the cure for religion, because it is where children meet others who are different and they play together and see each other as people.
There is nothing that religion explains that has not been better explained by the sciences.
But for the sake of argument, for civil discourse, and just for a moment allow the merest possibility approaching zero that there might be something and one or another religion, from the past, current or future peoples of the earth:
if we destroy nature and overtip balances of gains and losses, the mixes and ratios, when we stand before the destination gates – do you really think the reward criteria is selfish interest, oppressing others and destroying the very earth and diminishing the possibility of future life on it?
this is one of many systems that have planets with life potential, but we do know this for sure, we are living on one that does, and we are treating it as a toilet.
We cannot afford to act as if religions are real, and they need to be deemed the mental illness that they clearly are.